Alexander Cometh

The following was taken from a comment sent to the site listed below, at the end of a Kim Clement article. It is thoughtful and worthy of sharing with my readers.
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From REVIVAL List
Date Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:22:58 +1300
Subject [revival] THE END of EMPIRE AMERICA - Robert Holmes
NOTE from Mario Liu: On 16 October 2008 I was in a prayer meeting with Robert Holmes, and Kurt Pfanstiel, who was visiting us from the USA. Robert shared with us a vision he has recently received. Robert had a vision of Alexander the Great standing victorious in the middle of USA.
We discussed about Robert’s vision in some details. Alexander the Great in the vision was a foreign looking man. He was surrounded by many US citizens, who seemed to welcome Alexander as their leader. I asked Robert whether there were any signs of violence and Robert said no.
I remembered God has given similar visions before about
Alexander the Great conquering USA and we did not understand God’s meaning then. Now that God repeated this vision, I felt that there is significance in this and asked God for more revelations, such as which country is conquering USA, who is Alexander etc.
But God did not give us any clear revelations apart from saying that “Alexander took Babylon without bloodshed.”
After the US election, Robert recognized that the Alexander he saw was Obama. Then God revealed more information. These
revelations are enclosed below… We need to pray.
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THE END of EMPIRE AMERICA
-by Robert I Holmes.
This article will cover a range of issues which have been brewing for six to twelve months in my heart. History will judge America as an empire. That empire is coming to an end. The election of Barak Obama is a significant prophetic event, marking the sunset of that empire, and the rising of other powers in the earth who represent ancient powers and civilizations. These ideas have consequences for believers living both in the US and the countries who rely on her (like Australia). But to address those things, I need to go back eight years.
Standing in Upstate New York in 2000, I had a conversation with the Lord which I shall never forget. The Lord asked me “How long does an empire last?” to which I asked, “Am I standing in an empire?” [it did not occur to me that I was standing in the Empire State!] Rather than answering me directly, He said, “All empires come to an end”. I pondered this for a moment. What empire?
Was this country coming to an end? Then He asked a third question: “How do people position themselves as an empire nears its eventual end?” The implications of his line of thought were clear.
America had become an empire, had influenced the world, but was now nearing the end of her reign as a sovereign super power. God wanted his people to know, their day in the sun is ending; the sunset is coming. He wanted them to make preparations and adjustments.
What is an Empire?
The concept of an American Empire was first popularized in the aftermath of the Spanish-American War of 1898 (during which it took control of the Philippines and other Pacific island nations).
America rates as an empire not only because of her global
sovereignty but because of her super power status.
She is actually the world’s first “hyper power”. Hubert Vedrine, the French Foreign Minister stated in July 2003 that, “The United States of America today predominates on the economic, monetary, technological and in the cultural arena in terms of power and influence it is not comparable to anything known in modern history - in short the US is a hyper puissance [hyper power]“. (1)
Alexander Cometh!
In 1999, as I prepared to travel to the US on ministry, the Lord gave me a very unusual prophetic word. He said that, “In the days of Babylon, when her walls stood wide and her leaders stood tall, her defenses were strong and her campaigns victorious, Alexander the Great came and defeated her. In the same way, my Alexander will
stand in the very midst of the United States of America”.
The phrase “in the same way” indicates that America’s walls are wide, her leaders stand tall, her defenses are strong, her campaigns until now have been victorious. But a man like Alexander - someone God refers to as “my Alexander” will stand in her midst, victorious and defeat her. Alexander the Great, a Mediterranean Greek, defeated Darius the Mede in 331BC at the Battle of Gaugamela, and the gates of Babylon swung open to him (when he was just 25 years old). He stood in the midst of the courtyard declaring himself king. He then spent considerable time and effort trying to restore Babylon to its former glory.
As I prayed in preparation for going to the US two weeks ago on ministry again, I had a vision of a map of America from high above.
There, almost in the centre of it was a marketplace. I zoomed down toward the marketplace, and saw a man standing there. I recognized by the Spirit that it was Alexander the Great, standing in a dusty, sandstone area, sword lifted high, victorious.
I believe that God’s “Alexander” is Barak Obama. He has now
stood in the middle of America, and declared his victory speech in Grant Park in Chicago. There, he prophetically declared, “Change has come to America,” (6). Yes indeed, it has. Barak, apart from having the appearance of a Middle Eastern or African man, is also very young and experienced. Barak Obama has not even had a full year in his senate position. I do not question the right of a 47 year old to rule a nation, but his inexperience is not reduced by his
amazing oratory skill. “Your sons will take the place of your fathers; you will make them princes throughout [in all] the earth,” (Psalm 45:16 NIV).
He represents the end of empire America as we know it, and the opening of a new regime, one which, like Alexander, represents a conflagration of old powers: European, Middle Eastern and Asian.
He will try to restore America’s glory, but in doing so relegate her to second position on the global scene.
Chinese communist armies may well stand ready to invade the US, but she is extremely well guarded. Muslim extremists are surely planning further self-destructive attacks on US soil, but she is well prepared. It is certain that European economies seek to outflank the US, but given the present economic collapse, their hopes fall with the US.
There remains one great enemy the US has no protection against at all: themselves. It is to ourselves we must look. The society we have created, the environment we have destroyed, the economy we have overtaxed, the people we have abandoned, the poor we have ignored, the sin we have run toward, the morals we have abandoned. These things must change.
- Arrogance and greed are their own poison.
- Pride brings its own inevitable fall.
- Moral corruption is its own debilitating cancer.
America Is In the Cycle
In a substantial review of empires, Salem Kirban concluded that “world dominating civilizations progress through the following fairly well defined sequence of stages” (7):
- Bondage;
- Spiritual faith/ revival;
- Courage/ war;
- Liberty for the people;
- Prosperity/ abundance/ wealth;
- Complacency/ apathy;
- Dependency/ debt;
- Moral corruption/ addiction;
- Bondage.
It does not take an historian or a scholar to see that America has traversed her way through this very cycle of life, and finds herself in the dependency/debt and moral corruption/ addiction stages.
National debt stands at 10,639,613,228,421 today (that’s ten point six trillion and rising). It is the most indebted nation on earth. Debt stands at 70% of GDP. And to whom is that money owed? The US government itself owns about 43% of it. The next largest holder is the US Federal Reserve, and after that: Japan, China, Britain and Oil countries of the Middle East (who together hold 29%, which is more than private sector Americans). About 66% of the debt owned by foreign nations is held by banks of other countries, in
particular the central banks of Japan and China. (8)
Recall the prophetic words about the end of an empire, preparing for the days to come, and the appearance of an Alexander figure - the era of America’s dominance is closing. Barak will oversee the increase of influence of foreign powers in the US: the power of ancient nations and forces. Specifically: European, Middle Eastern and Asian. The everyday mortgages of middle income Americans
are owned by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, which in turn are
heavily indebted to Japan, China and Middle Eastern oil states.
This situation will only get more and more entwined. America stands a very real exposure to risk should foreign banks stop buying Treasury securities or start selling them heavily.
This risk was addressed in a recent report issued by the Bank of International Settlements which stated, “Foreign investors in U.S. dollar assets have seen big losses measured in dollars, and still bigger ones measured in their own currency. While unlikely, a sudden rush for the exits cannot be ruled out completely.” (9). One
economic analyst, Nouriel Roubini keenly observes, “The US has squandered its uni-polar moment, the decline of the American Empire - as the US was a global empire - has started… We are indeed slowly moving towards a multi-polar world where there will be a balance of Great Powers rather than the hegemony of a single hyperpower.” (10)
Change of Government, But No Change of Heart
There will be a change of president in the White House in January, 2009. The US president is moving from Republican to Democrat, but that does nothing to change the heart of the nation. The rise of a Black leader does nothing to address the moral malady she is in.
Obama is not the nation’s savior. The nation is already deep in the throes of a national depression which will last between 2-10 years, it is the most indebted nation in history, and no man can rescue such a situation.
If Kirban is right, and if this word is true, the nation will bring herself undone. She will decay, and implode - and then bondage must come. As Irish philosopher Edmund Burke once said, “Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters,” (11). Our passions must necessarily forge external fetters to govern us. Famine, strife,
martial law, war, invasion and poverty ensue.
God calls Barak Obama “my Alexander”. His standing in the midst of America, victorious, was a prophetic announcement that change indeed has come to America. The American Empire is coming to an end. There is a global shift from a single super power to the rise of other powers in the earth. These ideas have consequences for believers living both in the US and the countries who rely on her.
Our world is getting set to change!
Now God asks, “How will you position yourself as the empire
nears its eventual end?”
Then I got this from a friend that I shared the above with…
A confirming word to me. This morning at Starbucks I met with Pastor Steve of City Center Church, it was just the two of us today. We spent our time today discussing current events in light of prophecy. I told him that–while hoping I am wrong–my spirit has been agitated for months, and now with Obama taking office a sense of sever trouble is coming our (USA) way in 2009 and beyond, the likes of which we have not seen before. The term that best describes it is “this whole thing is about to unravel”; impending doom is the mood: economic, social, and spiritual. All three areas are heating up and the Church in America will be tested and purified. The sour economic future will test real believers in terms of where they place their trust–the unregenerate will fall away and worship at the foot of the economy of man. The social testing will come in the form is increasing hostility to God, the Bible, and Christian who stand firm on Scripture–they will pay a heavy price for speaking out. We are already seeing an emboldened gay community suing any group that denies them their ‘rights.’ The net effect is to silence all opposing voices (print & oral). In this regard we have not seen anything yet. The spiritual testing of this environment will produce increased fruit in true believers–making them better–while the “joiners” will become bitter and fall away, disillusioned that God “let them down and didn’t come through for them.” Needless to say, this will include multitudes who have fallen to the false teaching of the health and wealth ‘gospel.’ Those who associate with Christians and yet who are not born again will fall away in droves and increasingly being a follower of Jesus brings real persecution and pain–the likes of which the US has never experienced. The purging will be similar to that of Acts 7 when the ‘joiners” distanced themselves from the church after God dealt with Ananias and Sophia.
Again, I hope I am wrong on all of this, but this is what I am sensing in my spirit. The speed at which these things take place is unknown to me, it could be months or years.
Comment by IWanthetruth | November 25, 2008

Reminder of May 19, 2008 Blog

Please reread this article and the six comments made. This information and the attached views still are pertinent.

Monday, May 19, 2008
Why Does Obama's Pastor Matter?
By John Perazzo
FrontPageMagazine.com | 2/4/2008

Qualifications for Leadership

What are the qualifications for leadership in an established corporation? Education, training, and experience in the specific field for which the applicant is competing would be appropriate expectations. Has the applicant been successful in implementing new, more efficient procedures? Are his/her concerns broad but concrete, or superficial and based on appearances rather than a strong foundation of principles known to work over a period of time? Does this applicant understand economics and how to manage his budget? Would this open position be better served by a particular age, nationality, or gender?

It has been said, “The two candidates were about equal.” But voting records are published on the Internet and easily accessed by the public. These records are extremely important because they reflect the philosophy behind the choices, whether the candidate values and respects the life of the very elderly and the unborn; or whether the candidate sees life as being utilitarian, when it’s contribution has peaked and the individual is no longer of value to society.

Another critical value is personal ethics. Generally speaking, most Americans regard politicians as having compromised ethics, the motivation being money under the table. In fact, that is the underlying reason this once great country is struggling for balance presently – greed at the highest leadership levels: national regulatory boards, CEOs, the medical profession and related fields. This broad ribbon of greed extends to the most basic levels of our society where a garbage company is awarded the lowest bid with the understanding that the city will kick back some of the contract money (Everybody does it!); where farmers’ markets jack up prices for produce that actually costs less to grow than vegetables bought in the chain stores. Price gouging is known to exist at the gas pump and at the bank with it’s many surcharges.

A third aspect of corruption is when courts challenge laws that were enacted by the majority of citizens. This is decline and disrespect at the very highest level of society for our constitution provides a system of checks and balances. Interpretations that conflict with the purposes graphically spelled out by our founding fathers are a betrayal of vows to uphold the country’s law system.

A fourth aspect of corruption is the idea of entitlement – “you owe me”. This is not a problem with minorities only, but extends to an entire generation of young people who fail to understand that societies are structured around individuals who contribute to the common good. Instead, we have many who want to be carried economically by their family, friends, and communities. This can be observed also in homosexual and transsexual behavior where men, once our nation’s strength, now want to be taken care of like a woman is, according to their perception.

I realize these words are direct and will generate anger. My concern is that you will be irritated enough to think over what I’ve written and attempt to defend your own philosophy. Any part of your ideas that conflict with God’s Word needs correction. Proverbs 14: 34 says, “Uprightness and right standing with God [moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relation], those elevate a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.”

Social Alienation

Resentment and bitterness are like dark glasses that filter natural light. When the heart is filled with anger and hatred his/her perceptions will be warped. The bitter person will not recognize this until God in His faithfulness brings him up short to realize that his evaluation of a situation or an individual is askew. A deeply bitter person believes he is excluded from groups he wants to be a part of because of his own alienation.

Individuals become who they are because of their reaction to where they live, who they know, and what they experience or struggle with. So many Americans feel disconnected and lack deep obligations to community and society because of dehumanizing institutions where spiritual isolation and lack of community are enforced. Neurotic problems and resentment are promoted. On the other hand, the disenfranchised oversimplify and distort their experience to promote conflict by drawing their own exclusive little circle, and label others as outsiders. This is common in multiethnic environments. When I taught in China, the Chinese preferred their own society and preferred that the many nationals from other countries gather in their own little circles. They were unhappy when young people from America and Russia, for example, became friends. They especially could not accept Japanese or Korean youth mixing freely with their own Chinese youth; after all, during World War II the Japanese brutalized the Chinese right on Chinese soil. Americans experienced something of this prejudice during the 1940s concerning German immigrants. And this is pronounced among African-Americans in our own society.

The willingness to commit violence against someone who has disrespected you (or that you imagined disrespected you) is regarded as courageous. I have been spit on, sworn at, driven off the sidewalks, forced off long-distance buses far from the city, stepped on in China, mostly by Chinese, but also by some African-Americans who believed they could get away with it. Of course, they got away with it in that I made no response. But the wound they intended for me was inflicted with a double-edged sword. A violent action polarizes and hardens the perpetrator; however, I have a choice of reaction – to forgive with no constraints. I personally believe that my salvation and welfare rests on my forgiveness of those who trespass against me (Matt.6:14-15; Luke 6: 27-28; 1 Peter 3:9). That is a solemn statement that I take seriously, though I confess I struggle with it often. It is as applicable to races and ethnic groups as it is to individuals. I must hold myself responsible for my potential spiritual growth and for positively impacting those around me. The truth is, there is no real individualism without relationship to others. There is no self, no personhood apart from relationship to others. People who don’t contribute to community and criticize others diminish themselves. This is a secular truth although my relationship to Jesus enables me to refuse the destruction of rejection and chose to enlarge my circle to include others of every race, color, creed, gender, socioeconomic class. I may not choose to be African-American or Hispanic, male or female, rich or poor, but I can choose to be loving and inclusive. This is freedom, indeed!

Scriptures to comfort and strengthen our faith

ELECTION DAY & THE EPICENTER

By Joel C. Rosenberg
(Washington, D.C., November 4, 2008) -- Whoever wins the American presidency today will face enormous global challenges, particularly in the epicenter.

The Iranian nuclear threat. Russia's growing military alliance with Iran. Osama bin Laden and the continuing al Qaeda threat. The Hamas and Hezbollah threats. The volatility in nuclear-armed Pakistan. The possibility of revolutions or coup attempts in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Libya's new pursuit of Russian arms and nuclear technology. The list goes on and on. Given their profound policy differences, how the U.S. deals with these serious challenges will depend largely on whether Barack Obama or John McCain takes the oath of office on January 20, 2009.

As for my family and me, while we have a strong preference for who wins, we know the outcome of this election is in the hands of the Lord. Two verses give us particular comfort today:

* Daniel 2:21 - "It is He [the God of heaven]…who removes kings and establishes kings."

* Job 42:2 - "I know that You [the God of Israel] can do all things, and that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted."

It is the Lord God who will ultimately decide who will lead the American nation through turbulent times ahead. He also decides who will lead Israel, Iran, Iraq, and all the other nations of the epicenter and the world. His will cannot be thwarted. Let us, therefore, pray that His will would be done. Let us also pray that we are faithful in blessing Israel and her neighbors in the name of Jesus, as He has commanded us in the Scriptures.

Recession Forecast

I thought this article in today's Fox News was significant and worth reading so we can have some idea of what to expect. When greed is the underlying motivation for the freedom of democracy, the system will fail. A bail out doesn't address the issue of accountability or responsibility.
Joyce

Friday, October 03, 2008
More Severe Recession Now Forecast By Goldman Sachs

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. recession will be "significantly deeper" than they previously thought, Goldman Sachs economists predicted Friday in a research note. The economy will probably show no growth at all between the middle of 2008 and the middle of 2009, with gross domestic product falling 2% this quarter and 1% next, they said. Two other quarters will show 0% GDP growth. The unemployment rate will likely rise to 8% by the end of next year from 6.1% currently. "We now also see at least another 100 basis points of monetary easing from the Federal Reserve, aggressive measures to stabilize the money markets, and a possible further easing of fiscal policy under a new administration," wrote Jan Hatzius and his team of economists.

Unity Preached to Fight Financial Crisis at U.N.

I thought this little article, tucked away where most people wouldn't see it, was significant and wanted to call my readers' attention to it. Interesting that Congress is the recalcitrant child. Apparently,no longer does the American populace have the ability to make intelligent, informed decisions, nor their representatives in government have good judgment in reflecting constituents' wishes. Does this chill your blood as it does mine?

At U.N., unity preached to fight financial crisis: Leaders say as problems spreads, global solutions are needed
The Associated Press; updated 3:16 p.m. CT, Tues., Sept. 23, 2008
UNITED NATIONS - World leaders called Tuesday for international action to stem the financial crisis, urging cooperative solutions over U.S. steps to counter a credit crunch that has spilled outside U.S. borders to engulf global markets.
The opening of the annual ministerial meeting of the U.N. General Assembly was dominated by widespread concern over the economic health of the world — and the need for the major economic players to contribute to a revival.
While many leaders insisted on a global solution, President Bush assured officials that his government was on the cusp of containing the credit meltdown that has roiled markets and threatens to undercut development and poverty fighting efforts.
Bush said he realizes that other nations are watching how the U.S. deals with the financial crisis, and he expressed confidence that Washington will act “in the urgent time-frame required” to prevent broader problems.
Bush said his administration is working with the U.S. Congress to come to quick agreement on a $700 billion bailout bill, in addition to other recent actions he called “bold steps” aimed at stabilizing markets and keeping credit flowing.
He did not ask for any action by other countries.
But French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who currently heads the European Union which includes some of Washington’s closest allies, insisted on a global solution.
He called for a wholesale reform of the global financial system, urging major economic powers to meet before the end of the year to examine the lessons of the crisis.
“Let us rebuild capitalism in which credit agencies are controlled and punished when necessary, where transparency ... replaces opaqueness,” Sarkozy said. “We can do this on one condition, that we all work together in our globalized world.”
Brazil’s President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, a former labor leader, also called for a global solution to the financial crisis and lashed out at speculators who he blamed for the “anguish of entire peoples.”
“The global nature of this crisis means that the solutions we adopt must also be global,” Silva said.
Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo said “economic uncertainty has moved like a terrible tsunami around the globe, wiping away gains, erasing progress.”
“Just when we thought the worst had passed, the light at the end of the tunnel became an oncoming train, hurtling forward with new shocks to the global financial system,” she said. “The setbacks from these global shocks of the past year, and the past weeks, are real and profound. It will take time and perseverance to put the pieces back together.”
Addressing more than 120 world leaders and dozens of government ministers at the opening of the meeting, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called for global leadership to restore order to international financial markets, make trade concessions and act on climate change.
Ban said he worried that nations are losing sight of the “new reality” — that there are “new centers of power and leadership in Asia, Latin America and across the newly developed world” — and that “in this new world, our challenges are increasingly those of collaboration rather than confrontation.”
“The global financial crisis endangers all our work — financing for development, social spending in rich nations and poor, the Millennium Development Goals” to improve life for the poorest,” he said.
“If ever there were a call to collective action — a call for global leadership — it is now,” Ban said.
“We need to restore order to the international financial markets,” he said. “We need a new understanding on business ethics and governance, with more compassion and less uncritical faith in the ‘magic’ of markets. And we must think about how the world economic system should evolve to more fully reflect changing realities of our time.”
He urged world leaders to adopt a new trade deal to help developing countries at the Doha review conference later this year.
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URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26857277/

I Am A Jew

I received this as an email and wanted to share it.

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.
It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, “Merry Christmas” to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different. This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny; it's intended to get you thinking.
Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her “How could God let something like this happen?” (regarding Katrina.) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, “I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?”
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
If you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein

Obama: all paths lead to one destination

Rather than copy more information about Barak Obama I have copied a link for you to follow concerning Obama's view that all paths lead to one eternal destination.
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/barack-obama-many-paths-lead-to-god-embracing-divine-within/

EXCLUSIVE: AL QAEDA TARGETS LEADING ARAB EVANGELIST OPERATING IN THE U.S. FOR PREACHING THE GOSPEL TO MUSLIMS

By Joel C. Rosenberg
(Washington, D.C., September 9, 2008) -- You have probably never heard of Father Zakaria Botros.

But you need to know his story. He is far and away the most-watched and most-effective Arab-American evangelist focused on reaching the Muslim world, and by far the most controversial. The Rush Limbaugh of the Revivalists, he is funny, feisty, brilliant, opinionated, and provocative. But rather than preaching the gospel of conservatism, he is preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. And his enemies do not simply want to silence him. They want to assassinate him.

Last week, I had the honor of interviewing Botros by phone from a secure, undisclosed location in the United States, where he now resides. He told me that he had just learned that an al Qaeda website had posted his photograph and named him one of the "most wanted" infidels in the world. The Radicals have even put a bounty on his head. The Christian Broadcasting Network reported the figure was as high as $60 million. Botros does not know for certain. But just to put that in context, the U.S. bounty on Osama bin Laden's head is "only" $25 million.

Why are the Radicals so enraged by an elderly Coptic priest from Egypt who is in his 70s? Because Botros is waging an air war against them, and he is winning.

Using state-of-the art satellite technology to bypass the efforts of Islamic governments to keep the gospel out of their countries, Botros is directly challenging the claims of Muhammad to be a prophet, and the claims of the Qu'ran to be God's word. He systematically deconstructs Muhammad's life, story by story, pointing out character flaws and sinful behavior. He carefully deconstructs the Qu'ran, verse by verse, citing contradictions and inconsistencies. And not only does he explain without apology what he believes is wrong with Islam, he goes on to teach Muslims from the Bible why Jesus loves them and why is so ready to forgive them and adopt them into His family, no matter who they are or what they have done.

If Botros was doing this in a corner, or on some cable access channel where no one saw him or cared, that would be one thing. But his ninety-minute program - a combination of preaching, teaching and answering questions from (often irate) callers all over the world - has become "must see TV" throughout the Muslim world. It is replayed four times a week in Arabic, his native language, on a satellite television network called Al Hayat ("Life TV.") It can be seen in every country in North Africa, Middle East, Central Asia, as well as all throughout North America,Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. And not only can it be seen in so many places, it is seen - by an estimated fifty million Muslims a day.

At the same time, Botros is getting millions of hits on his multiple web sites in multiple languages. There, Muslims can read his sermons and study through an archive of answers to frequently asked questions. They can also enter a live chat room called "Pal Chat" where they are not only permitted but encouraged to ask their toughest questions to trained on-line counselors, many of whom are Muslim converts to Christianity who understand exactly where the questioners are coming from and the struggles they are having.

As a result, Botros - on the air only since 2003 - has practically become a household word in the Muslim world. An Arabic newspaper has named him Islam's "Public Enemy #1." Millions hate him, to be sure, but they are watching. They are listening. They are processing what he is saying and they are talking about him with their friends and family. When Botros challenges Radical clerics to answer his many refutations of Islam and defend the Qu'ran, millions wait to see what how the fundamentalists will respond. But they rarely do. They prefer to attack Botros than answer him. Yet, the more the Radicals attack him, the more well-known he becomes. The more well-known he becomes, the more Muslims feel compelled to tune in. And as more Muslims tune in, more are coming to the conclusion that Botros is right and in turn are choosing to become followers of Jesus Christ. Botros estimates at least 1,000 Muslims a month pray to receive Christ with his telephone counselors. Some of them pray to receive Christ live on their air with Botros. And this surely is only the tip of the iceberg, as it represents only those who are able to get through on the jammed phone lines. There simply are not currently enough trained counselors to handle each call.

Many leading Arab evangelists I have interviewed for Inside The Revolution say God is using Botros to help bring in the greatest harvest of Muslim converts to Christianity in the history of Christendom. Botros refuses to take any credit, saying is just one voice in a movement of millions. But he is certainly excited by the trend lines. He does see more Muslims turning to Christ than ever before, and he told me he has cited my book Epicenter at least three times as evidence of the enormous numbers of conversions taking place. What's more, he vows to keep preaching the gospel so long as the Lord Jesus gives him breath. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son [Jesus], that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." That verse - John 3:16 - is the verse that drives Botros. He believes passionately God loves the whole world, including each and every Muslim. He believes that "whosoever" believes in the Lordship of Jesus Christ - Jew or Muslim - will, in fact, receive eternal life. He does not believe all Muslims are Radicals, but he does believe all Muslims are spiritually lost, and he wants desperately to help them find their way to forgiveness and reconciliation with the God who made them and loves them.

"I believe this is the hand of God," Botros told me. "He is directing me. He shows me what to say. He shows me what to write on…the web sites. He is showing me more and more how to use the technology to reach people with his message of redemption."

Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:20 PM PT
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305420655186700

Election '08: Democrats' reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part of her resume: Public Allies.

IBD Series: The Audacity Of Socialism

Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."

The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.

In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.

Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.

Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It's training the "next generation of nonprofit leaders" — future "social entrepreneurs."

The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.

Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."

Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."

One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."

The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.

The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill.

WHO IS SARAH PALIN

Sarah Palin
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sarah Palin

Governor Sarah Palin
________________________________________
11th Governor of Alaska

Incumbent

Assumed office
December 4, 2006
Lieutenant
Sean Parnell

Preceded by Frank Murkowski

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Born February 11 1964 (age 44)
Sandpoint, Idaho, United States

Political party Republican

Spouse Todd Palin

Residence Wasilla, Alaska

Alma mater
University of Idaho

Profession Journalist

Religion Christian: Assemblies of God[1]

Sarah Louise Heath Palin (IPA: /peɪlɪn/, pronounced like "pail") (born February 11, 1964) is the current Governor of Alaska, and the presumptive 2008 Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States.
Palin was elected Governor of Alaska in 2006 after defeating incumbent governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary and former Democratic Alaskan governor Tony Knowles in the general election. She gained attention for publicizing ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders.[2] Before becoming governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska, City Council from 1992 to 1996, was elected mayor of Wasilla (population 5,470 in 2000) in 1996, and ran unsuccessfully for Lieutenant Governor in 2002. She is the first female Vice Presidential candidate representing the Republican Party and the second female vice-presidential candidate representing a major political party; the first was Democrat Geraldine Ferraro in 1984. She is also the first politician from Alaska to run on a national ticket in a campaign for President or Vice President.
Early life
Palin was born Sarah Louise Heath in Sandpoint, Idaho, the daughter of Sarah (née Sheeran), a school secretary, and Charles R. Heath, a science teacher and track coach.[3][4] She has English, Irish, and German ancestry.[3] Her family moved to Alaska when she was an infant.[4] The Heaths were avid outdoors enthusiasts; Sarah and her father would sometimes wake at 3 a.m. to hunt moose before school, and the family regularly ran 5 km and 10 km races.[4]
At Wasilla High School in Wasilla, Alaska, Palin was the head of the school Fellowship of Christian Athletes.[4] She was the point guard and captain for the basketball team, helping the team win the Alaska small-school championship in 1982, hitting a critical free throw in the last seconds, despite a stress fracture in her ankle.[4] She earned the nickname "Sarah Barracuda" because of her intense play,[4] and was the leader of team prayer before games.[4]
In 1984, after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, Palin finished second in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant[5] which won her a scholarship to help pay her way through college.[4] In the Wasilla pageant, she played the flute and also won Miss Congeniality.
Palin holds a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics. She married her high school sweetheart, Todd Palin, on August 29, 1988, and briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman with her husband.[4]
Pre-gubernatorial political experience
Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged and defeated the incumbent mayor, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[4] The ex-mayor and sheriff tried to organize a recall campaign, but failed.[4] Palin kept her campaign promises by reducing her own salary, as well as reducing property taxes by 60%.[4] She ran for reelection against the former mayor in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[4][6] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[7]
In 2002, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for Lieutenant Governor, coming in second to Loren Leman in a four-way race. After Frank Murkowski resigned from his long-held U.S. Senate seat in mid-term to become governor, Palin interviewed to be his possible successor. Instead, Murkowski appointed his daughter, then-Alaska State Representative Lisa Murkowski.[4]
Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[8] where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[2] [4] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[9] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[4]
Governorship
In 2006, Palin, running on a clean-government campaign, executed an upset victory over then-Gov. Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary.[4] Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles.[4] Palin said in 2006 that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.[10]


Palin visits a wounded soldier in Landstuhl, Germany, July 2007
When elected, Palin became the first woman to be Alaska's governor, and the youngest governor in Alaskan history at 42 years of age upon taking office. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood. She was also the first Alaskan governor not to be inaugurated in Juneau, instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks. She took office on December 4, 2006.
Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. After federal funding for the Gravina Island Bridge project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending was lost, Palin decided against filling the over $200 million gap with state money.[11][12] "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[13]
She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[14] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[11]
In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[13] A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%.[15]
Energy policies
Palin's tenure is noted for her independence from big oil companies, while still promoting resource development.[11][13] Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors, to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.[16]
Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded thirty-five appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including the appointment by Murkowski of his former chief of staff Jim Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority.[17][18] Clark later pled guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski's re-election campaign.[19]
In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope.[20] Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure,[21] and in June Palin signed it into law.[22][23] On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corp., was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.[24][25] In August, 2008 Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines a license to build and operate the $26-billion-dollar pipeline to ship natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48, through Canada. [26]
In response to high oil and gas prices, and in response to the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.[27] She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send Alaskans $1,200 directly and eliminate the gas tax.[28][29]
Social issues


Gov. Palin during a 2007 speech
Palin is strongly opposed to abortion and supports capital punishment.[30] While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in schools,[31] however, she noted she would not use "religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism" as criteria for selection to the school board.[31]
She opposes same-sex marriage, but she has stated that she has gay friends and is receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.[10] While the previous administration did not implement same-sex benefits, Palin complied with an Alaskan state Supreme Court order and signed them into law.[32] She disagreed with the Supreme Court ruling[33] and supported a democratic advisory vote from the public on whether there should be a constitutional amendment on the matter.[34] Alaska was one of the first U.S. states to pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage, in 1998, along with Hawaii.[35] Palin has stated that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment.[10]
Palin's first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to the partners of gay state employees. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska's attorney general on the constitutionality of the legislation.[33]
Matanuska Maid Dairy closure
When the Alaska Creamery Board recommended closing Matanuska Maid Dairy, an unprofitable state-owned business, Palin objected, citing concern for the impact on dairy farmers and the fact that the dairy had just received $600,000 in state money. When Palin learned that only the Board of Agriculture and Conservation could appoint Creamery Board members, she simply replaced the entire membership of the Board of Agriculture and Conservation.[13][36] The new board, led by businesswoman Kristan Cole, reversed the decision to close the dairy.[36] The new board approved milk price increases offered by the dairy in an attempt to control fiscal losses, even though milk from Washington was already offered in Alaskan stores at lower prices.[37] In the end, the dairy was forced to close, and the state tried to sell the assets to pay off its debts but received no bids.[38][39]
Budget
In the first days of her administration, Palin followed through on a campaign promise to sell the Westwind II jet purchased (on a state government credit account) by the Murkowski administration. The state placed the jet for sale on eBay three times. In August 2007, the jet was sold for $2.1 million.[40]
Shortly after becoming governor, Palin canceled a contract for the construction on an 11-mile (18-kilometer) gravel road outside of Juneau to a mine. This reversed a decision made in the closing days of the Murkowski Administration.[41]
In June 2007, Palin signed into law a $6.6 billion operating budget—the largest in Alaska's history.[42] At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local projects, and reduced the construction budget to nearly $1.6 billion.[43]
Public Safety Commissioner dismissal controversy
On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Walter Monegan as Commissioner of Public Safety and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he subsequently turned down.[44][45] Monegan alleged shortly after his dismissal that it may have been partly due to his reluctance to fire an Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.[46] In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was briefly suspended for ten days for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson (at the stepson's request), and violating game laws. After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days.[47]
Palin asserted that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten, and asserts that Monegan was instead dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues."[48] Palin acknowledged that a member of her administration, Frank Bailey, did contact the Department of Public Safety regarding Wooten, but both Palin and Bailey say that happened without her knowledge and was unrelated to her dismissal of Monegan.[48] Bailey was put on leave for two months for acting outside the scope of his authority as the Director of Boards and Commissions. Commissioner Monegan received no severance pay, though at the same time another dismissed Commissioner, Charles Kopp (who served only 11 days) received $10,000.[49]
In response to Palin's statement that she had nothing to hide, in August 2008 the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal, though lawmakers acknowledge that "Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time."[50] The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary.[51] The Palin administration itself was the first to release an audiotape of Bailey making inquiries about the status of the Wooten investigation.[48][52]
2008 Vice-presidential candidacy
On August 29, 2008, Palin was announced as presumptive Republican presidential candidate John McCain's vice-presidential candidate, or running mate.[53] Palin's selection surprised[54][55] many Republican officials who had speculated about other candidates such as Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, United States Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), and former Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge.[56] When asked during the summer on CNBC's Kudlow & Company if she believed that she was qualified to be John McCain's Vice President, she responded "[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that V.P. slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question." [57]
Palin is considered to have similar policy positions to John McCain in most respects. One major exception is drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), which Palin strongly supports and McCain has opposed. Palin's position on ANWR drilling differs from McCain's.[58] She has also praised Obama's energy plan over the plan proposed by McCain. [59]In a July interview on CNBC, Palin expressed that she couldn't comment on the possibility of a vice presidential nomination until someone explained to her what the position entailed. She also wanted to "make sure that that V.P. slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans"[60]
Palin is the second U.S. woman to run on a major party ticket, after Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, under former vice-president Walter Mondale in 1984.
Personal life
Palin's husband, Todd, is a commercial fisherman and is one-quarter Yupik Eskimo. Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP energy corporation at an oil field on Alaska's North Slope[61] and is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2000-mile "Iron Dog" race four times.[4] The two eloped shortly after Palin graduated from college; when they learned they needed witnesses for the civil ceremony, they recruited two residents from the old-age home down the street.[4] The Palin family lives in Wasilla, about 40 miles (64 km) north of Anchorage.[citation needed]
On September 11, 2007, the Palins' then eighteen-year-old son Track, eldest of five, joined the Army.[62] He now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September 2008.[citation needed] She also has three daughters: Bristol, Willow and Piper.[7]
On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome.[63] She returned to the office three days after giving birth.[11] Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"[11]
Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.[13][64] Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.[10] In December 2007, Palin posed for a photo spread in the fashion magazine Vogue.[65]
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WHO IS JOE BIDEN

For those of you, like me, who wondered who Obama's chosen running mate could possibly be, I've copied here some information. Read to the bottom. Heads up, conservative voters!
who is Joe Biden?
From: Joel Rosenberg (novembercommunications@ixs1.net)

(Washington, D.C., August 27, 2008) -- Tonight, Delaware Senator Joe Biden will accept the vice presidential nomination in Denver. But most Americans have no idea who he really is or what he believes. Here, then, are a few facts worth noting.

First, by all accounts, Biden is a wonderful family man who has endured a terrible personal tragedy. In 1972, just before Christmas and just weeks after being elected to his first term in the United States Senate, Biden's wife and only daughter were killed in a horrific car crash caused by a drunk driver.

"Five years after this [trauma], no one man deserves one great love, let alone two," Biden later recalled in an interview with David Brody of CBN. "I met and married my wife of 30 years who actually put my life back together again and put my family back together again. But you know, when something like that happens to you. It's like there's a big black hole in your chest, and you feel like you're being sucked in to that black hole. You feel like there isn't anything that will ever get better again in your life. But my mom has an expression, she said God sends no cross that you cannot bear, and she said, I remember literally the week of the accident her saying 'Joey, out of everything horrible something good will come if you look hard enough.' And I thought that was the cruelest thing in the world someone could say, but it's true.

"Obviously I wished it never, ever, ever happened, but my sons and I, it's like a steel belt that runs through our chest connecting us. My family is so strong, and I really believe and my wife Jill of 30 years believes that Neilia my wife, is looking down on us. You just never, it never leaves, but there comes a time and it happens earlier than you think, there comes a time when the memory brings a smile to your lips rather than a tear to your eyes. And so many people have gone through tough stuff, but I had family.

"When I went through it I had people helping me. It has taught me that I have such intense admiration for people who are alone and these things happen to and they fight. There are so many people right outside this library, this morning got up, put one foot in front of the other, dealing with crisis that were similar to mine and they do. And they do it for their kids and they do it for their family and they do it without the kind of help I had. I was really lucky. I just had an awful lot of people to help me and they were my family. I'm not very good talking about it as you can see, but I know there is a continuum. I know that God is -- there's a giant piece of my deceased daughter, a giant piece of my deceased wife that is in me and in my children and in my wife."

Despite such immense pain, Biden emerged as a kind, funny, friendly and personally engaging leader, who has built strong personal and professional relationships with Republicans such as John McCain, among others. To his credit, he has been a good friend of Israel over the years. He has been good on expanding democracies around the world. He was also right on the Georgia crisis, having long encouraged the expansion of NATO to include fledgling democracies.

I like Joe Biden. I like his love of family and country. I like that I can disagree with him but would still enjoy a good policy discussion over dinner. But I do disagree with him profoundly on most important issues. He is, after all, the third most liberal man in the Senate, according to National Journal. And when it comes to most epicenter issues, he is just plain wrong. He reminds me in many ways of President Jimmy Carter in the mid- to late-1970s -- kind, friendly, warm, engaging, but someone who often misunderstands the nature and threat of evil, particularly in the Middle East.

Consider a few of Biden's positions:

* Voted against the Gulf war in 1991 to liberate Kuwait

* Voted against "the surge" in Iraq in 2007 to defeat the Jihadists [Told the Boston Globe in the summer of 2007: "The surge isn't going to work either tactically or strategically."]

* Opposes "regime change" in Iran. ["Instead of regime change, we need to focus on conduct change." -- speech on Iran at the Iowa City Public Library on December 3, 2007]

* Believes in direct negotiations with Ahmadinejad

* Voted against a bill to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a "terrorist" organization

* Strongly opposes taking preemptive military action to neutralize Iran's nuclear weapons threat and has threatened to impeach President Bush if he bombs Iran

* Does not see Ahmadinejad's End Times theology as a serious problem. ["My concern is not that a nuclear Iran some day would be moved by messianic fervor to use a nuclear weapon as an Armageddon device and commit national suicide in order to hasten the return of the Hidden Imam. My worry is that the fear of a nuclear Iran could spark an arms race in the Middle East, with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, and others joining in." -- speech on Iran at the Iowa City Public Library on December 3, 2007]

* "In 1979, he shared Carter's starry-eyed belief that the fall of the shah in Iran and the advent of the ayatollahs represented progress for human rights," writes Amir Taheri, the former editor of one of the largest newspapers in Tehran and a respected analyst of the current regime. "Throughout the hostage crisis, as US diplomats were daily paraded blindfolded in front of television cameras and threatened with execution, he opposed strong action against the terrorist mullahs and preached dialogue….For more than a decade, Biden has adopted an ambivalent attitude towards the Islamic Republic in Tehran, now emerging as the chief challenger to US interests in the Middle East. Biden's links with pro-Tehran lobbies in the US and his support for "unconditional dialogue" with the mullahs echo Obama's own wrong-headed promise to circumvent the current multilateral efforts by seeking direct US-Iran talks, excluding the Europeans as well as Russia and China."

There is much more to learn about Joe Biden, to be sure. But hopefully this is helpful as you watch the convention.

DOMINION THEOLOGY

Dominionist Theology disturbs me deeply, so I have copied a link the endtimespropheticwords so you can examine it for yourself and understand its implications for the future.

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/patricia-king-lance-walnau-on-outpouring-apostolic-reign-the-master-race/

Patricia King & Lance Wallnau on Outpouring, Apostolic Reign & The Master Race

The following video here is introduced by Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic, and introduces us to Lance Wallnau and apostolic thought. It is full of decietful scripture twisting and troubling false domininionist theology even from the very outset.

At the beginning of the video, Patricia King & Lance Wallnau claim that in Todd Bentley’s Lakeland Outpouring/the third wave, we are beginning to see the revival prophesied in the book of Acts. Quote -

“‘It says that I [God] am going to come again and build the tabernacle of David and restore all the breaches so that wholeness to the gentiles and nations can come in…. this is no more interuptions in the move of God. God becoming more tangible, his glory about to be revealed.”

[End times note: 'Lee' has already done a very good job in discussing some of the false ideas re the Tabernacle of David in an article here, so I do not want to repeat that information unnecessarilly here, except to say that the above statement by King & Wallnau is scripturally incorrect on the Tabernacle of David, as well as the so-called "revival" prophesied in Acts, as well as misses how God has already restored the breaches and brought wholeness to the gentiles so that nations may come in by way of His Son, Jesus, 2000 years ago.

God's glory has already been revealed! By insisting all this is still somehow a future move is an antichrist denial of what Christ has already achieved, and is another gospel.

In numerous Todd Bentley posts on this site, we have already discussed the heresies and pitfalls in the idea of God becoming more "tangible" and what that means to the apostolic-prophetic "cult".]

At around 3.30 minutes in the video, Lance Wallnau claims in the ‘final’ move of God that Psalm 2 comes in, Christ’s inheritance. [This is the same scripture that Todd Bentley read on the night of his apostolic commissioning, blasphemously claiming that HE (yes HE, Todd) was the king that could stand on the Holy Hill and be given the nations as HIS inheritance. He also said that other people as other kings once recieving his Lakeland impartation/anointing and commissioning could grab THEIR inheritance. The actual scripture is ONLY referring to Jesus, and can only be applied to Jesus. Another man or group - as Bentley and the NAR apply it to themselves - is antichrist.]

Brief Transcript of video from around 3.30 minutes -

Lance Wallnau:

“The move that God is after is the inheritance of Jesus. Most of us don’t even think about it. Jesus has an inheritance, Psalm 2 says ‘ask of me, I’m going to give you the nations for your inheritance.’ Jesus has not been given his inheritance until the final hour. The harvest and the inheritance of nations is what Jesus is after.

[End times note: there is scriptural distortion and also confusion here when speaking of "the harvest" between:

* the false Latter Rain end times billion soul harvest, as prophesied by the false apostolic prophetic movement both King and Wallnau are linked to
* the genuine ongoing harvest that God has been gathering in since the birth of the church, 2000 years ago
* and the final harvesting spoken of in the gospels which usually refers to the separation of believers and non believers at the final jugment, and not evangelism/revival.

There is also confusion and distortion re Christ's inheritance, and when that comes into play, for Christ is NOW the KIng of Kings and Lord of Lords and NOW has the nations as his footstool. To say that the nations have not yet been given to our Lord and Christ is antichrist. Christ is already sat on "Zion", His Holy Hill, as this Psalm prophesies, and the nations are already commanded to 'Kiss the Son...' Christ already reigns and rules so what is Wallnau pointing to? Another Jesus. Yes and another Jesus manifest in THEM...]

“So we’re now coming to this era of the apostolic. The apostolic is all about a final governing presense in the body of Christ and that governing anointing is released….”

[End times note: ah, so here we have it. Wallnau declares that Christ's rule and reign will be through the apostolic rule and reign with their form of apostolic government - over the church and over many other 'spheres' such as media, finance and education. Christ, they say, shall reign through them as heads over the body and the nations via the 'spheres', as blasphemous antichrist kings, not via Himself as the one and only Head over the body and the one and only King.

Latter Rain doctrine declares that Christ will come in the clouds - but as glory clouds manifested secretly within/over the church - NOT literally in the clouds in the air as the Bible teaches, where every eye shall undeniably see Christ return as lightning flashes from the east. And when that Latter Rain 'glory' comes, the false apostlic prophetic church filled and imparted with the 'cloud impartation' and the tangible 'glory' [pp Todd Bentley] will be a literal antiChrist on the earth (well, they are already, but they will be even more so then if they get their way.]

Christ’s presense in and through the elite perfected apostles shall reign (blasphemous Manifest Sons of God doctrine, the apostles being perfect immortal godmen who can walk through walls etc, where everything they decree and speak shall be as God speaking), and the inheritance of the nations shall be given to Christ via the apostles and when the apostle Godmen reign it shall be as Christ upon the earth because they are as Christ. And Christ’s inheritance shall be their inheritance to rule over, as anointed kings and Christs and Gods.

THEY and their people and their locales and their impartations shall be the door and gate and portal for man to know “God” experimentally - they shall be the ark of God’s presense as carriers of the anointing - and albiet it is done in Jesus name, Jesus Christ Himself shall no longer be the only way, truth and life and cannot be reached the old fashioned gospel way - or the old way shall be shunned as insuperior and not good enough and superceded by the new wine in the new wineskins.

“God’s” move (Lakeland and all that it gives birth to as the false prophets would say) gets the false apostles into position over the church to reign it. For the “powers that be” Lakeland has always been about promoting the apostles - not Todd Bentley. The anointing and impartation is to get the apostles into more power, and for you to get more under them or in ‘alignment’ with them.]

“….. really in its root it means the navy, the Greek, the Roman, the Phoenician navy, the apostolic was an admiral on the ship who went and colonised something. In other words you had the apostolic is a colonising force that reproduces the culture of a conquering kingdom.

[End times note: but the true apostolic does not take physical government in conquering kingdoms, rather it works for a spiritual kingdom pp "My Kingdom is not of this world".

Many Jews misunderstood what the Messiah was to do, and did not recognise Jesus as the Messiah because he did not become a literal King and Leader in the sense they thought by literally delivering them of their oppressors by military might and armed uprising. The early church did not seek to conquer the Roman Empire literally, nor did they physically fight against the Roman oppression and persecution via military warfare - rather they sought to make disciples in the alternative spiritual kingdom that co-existed and "fought" by true spiritual warfare - speaking the word of God, living a godly life, and prayer, signs and wonders and good works.]

So Jesus is the apostle who comes from heaven to colonise earth with heaven, and he’s the apostle that brings another culture to earth. Everywhere he went he established the embassy of the kingdom. And now when he is within the body of Christ as on the day of Pentecost, you and I are supposed to carry the embassy all over the globe. We’re supposed to have a sense of apostolic assignment.

[End times: Lance Wallnau is still deliberately muddling the physical kingdom and the spiritual kingdom. Lance is suggesting that the 'final' apostolic assignment is to take the nations literally and physically and not just spiritually for the new apostles to rule over. Nowhere in the Bible does this say this is the church's mandate, and nowhere does it say this will happen. In fact, the Bible would point out that this assignment is not only hertical but also antichrist].

“The power of that is this. When you agree with God on where He is going, you get access to an anointing to get there fast.

[Ok, so come under the apostles, align with them and agree with them this mandate is of God, and these ruling apostles and prophets are of God, submit to them and and you will get super-duper anointed. Even if you do not understand this or even agree with this, as their prophets have already said (eg Chuck Pierce) go with the flow and 'feel' it. Stop being so religious and experiment and see what happens! Go with your feelings over your understanding. Gnosticism can be trusted! After all, you would not want to miss it, would you?!]

“So I want to agree with God that the glory, the miracles, the signs, the wonders, the resurrections are evidence of the intangible God who is now making a tangible statement that He is here and that glory is about to show up in places that it’s never penetrated. This is what I believe is on the heart of God. Not that he just goes to the streets, but that He goes where He’s never been.

[Never been?! God's Glory fills the Heavens and earth eg Isaiah 6:3 etc... There is nowhere that we can flee from the presense of God and His Spirit (Psalm 139) - and In Him we live and move and have our being! (Acts 17:28) Lance's statement is biblically off.

But I think what Lance is really getting at, Latter Rain style, is places that Christ - through the body of apostles - has governed and reigned on earth, which is another thing entirely. Lance is once again blasphemously equating the apostles with Christ !]

“You know where He’s never been? There are seven spheres that shape nations, seven realms that control all the minds of the multitudes. Satan doesn’t have an unlimited number of demons. He’s got a certain limited army to work with. The apostolic asignment is to take those spheres and bring them under the dominion of the embassy of heaven, the kingdom of God. So you take the education sphere, the family sphere, the religion sphere, the government sphere, the media and arts, and the economic sphere.

[This is nowhere found in the word of God - and even if all the spheres were 'taken' and governed by the apostles (how - armed conflict, Joels' Army?), it would still not mean that the world would be Christian, or that it would be genuine revival - as individuals have to hear the gospel and make an individual decision and come to repentence ... and many individuals will never makes that genuine decision regardless how much brainwashing the new apostles try to do.... enforced conversion is no genuine conversion, one cannot take nations for Christ in this sense - this idea is more akin to Catholic Dominionism which these guys are linked to than the gospel.

And is Lance implying that if the apostles take the seven spheres (currently, by implication Satan's territory) then the eyes of the world will be opened to the gospel?!]

“And we need to start seeing Daniel’s rising up in Babylon that have that anointing, that supernatural anointing to get a hold of heaven, to wrestle with principalities…

[Daniel never did wrestle with principalities! The angels did as God ordered them to as Daniel prayed to GOD, unaware angels and principalities were battling on his behalf. Daniel is a classic example of why modern spiritual warfare is so heretical and false.

And is Lance inadvertently confessing that they are Babylon? And they seek to rule and to govern Babylon? - for if 'Daniel' is in Babylon and wrestles for power there and wins, then he rules Babylon! The scriptures certainly would concur with this.]

but they’re doing it in the courts of kings, they’re not doing it on the streets of LA.

[By implication, Lance is saying the streets are not good enough for them anymore, and they are better than this, and kings are much more important than beggars. Yet Christ's heart was always with the lowly and destitute.]

We need to start to celebrate the fact that there are Esthers that are beautiful for a reason. She was made beautiful so she won a beauty contest.

If you look at Daniel’s first chapter, you know what it says? It says the children, catch that, because the anointing is so strong on the next generation,

[Huh? Where does it say this? Nowhere does it mention 'anointing' in this passage. The men mentioned in the 1st chapter of Daniel were young men, and not 'children'. They were chosen by the pagan king to serve because of their age, health, vigour and intelligence - who wastes time and resources training an old, or even middle age man as an apprentice? Or a sick and dumb one for that matter? - it was nothing to do with the 'anointing', let alone a strong anointing that they were chosen, it was common sense with long term goals in mind!

What Lance Wallnau is really getting at here though, is an elite new breed generation of youth, as prophesied by Bob Jones et al. The new breed's age and the date of their coming of age and appearance keeps changing, because back in the 1980s the Kansas City youth were considered 'it'. In 1994 at the Time of the Toronto Blessing it was everybody under the age of 24 that was to be superduper used and anointed, and not only did that age figure stay the same as the years rolled on [which, of course, makes no sense], but in recent years it has variously become 13 [as per Bob Jones at Lakeland] or 18 in 2008 as per Bob Jones and Rick Joyner’s daughter.]

…. these children were without blemish, superior in knowledge, in literature, in science and in the language and art of the Chaldeans. You know what that means?

[Now we have it folk. Nazi eugenics. Perfect Master Race. The New Breed. [Have you noticed how many black apostles and prophets these guys DON'T have? William Branham, of course, thought the black race the seed of Satan. Branham was into pyramidology and Anglo Israelism as was Frank Sandford, an early model for the apostles who I discussed here ] Led by the apostolic prophetic beast. Perfect, superior, elitist, beautiful and masters of the occult sciences (pp the art of the Chaldeans). Now you know why Patricia King etc are introducing us all to occult techniques. It is all part of equipping the Master Race New Breed….]

“…. They had a hundred fold anointing of the glory of God ….

[Huh? And this is based on Daniel 1?]

… when it came to the beauty industry, to sports, to athletics, to movies, to cultural commentary, to social behaviour, to king’s palaces, the economics. They were a people who could invade every sphere with the glory of God. That’s where I believe this is going.

[Okay perfect people only. Nazi Eugenics. Heil Peter Wagner, Master Race. I get it. Do you read this? This is troubling - if you are not good looking by worldy standards, fit, atheletic, really intelligent, a good talker then you are not superduper endtimes anointed. Wow. How do they explain Todd Bentley then? I mean really? Even they admit basically the guy is dumb, uneducated, coarse and unattractive, so they blatantly contradict themselves because he is meant to be one of the most anointed of the new breed out there - and he is also over age by their standards.]

Apostolically, if you are on your assignment you’re indestructable. When Paul was on a ship going in the wrong direction, the spheres of government and military and the owner of the ship all got together and they said ‘the religious fanatic says we should not go somewhere’ but the economy, the military, the owner of the ship all said, let’s do it.

{??? The SPHERES got together? Oh boy, talk about distortion….]

They took off against the voice of God. You know what happened? They hit a crisis that nobody could get out of. Paul said ‘Sirs, you should have listened to me but an angel of the God whose I am and whom I serve came and told me I have an appointment in Rome to talk to Nero so I’m getting delivered and He’s saving all of you as part of the deal.’ In other words they were thrown in as a package to Paul because Paul had an assignment to finish…. your argument with death is not that you want to live but that you have an assignment to finish.

[There of course is a huge difference between one's true assignment from God and a false antichrist one! Basically Lance is saying the apostles and their undiscerning mass-following are indestructible and the spheres better align or get shipwrecked...]

And in Paul’s case going to kings was just ordinary. He appeared to kings, I do not know why we forget kings.

{how many Kings though and when, and what was his focus. What a distortion!]

Kings are the effluent power figures at the top of the mountains - in the arts industry they are the directors and the producers. In Wall Street they are the business tycoons and corporate CEOs and the gospel goes to kings really first -

[you what? The gospel goes to kings really first? What a distortion and misunderstanding]

The star of bethlehem drew those kings. It took them not right to the manger but took them right to Herod….

Take the glory where it’s never been to the top of the mountains because that’s an apostolic assignment that will bring Jesus inheritance into the earth.” {end}

***

This video is really, really troubling.

See these posts if you have not yet about the linked Joel’s Army/Civil War in the Church Stuff:

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/prophey-bob-jones-role-in-toronto-blessing-brownsville-lakeland-what-comes-next-civil-war-in-the-church/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/lou-engle-of-the-call-calls-for-war/

WORD OF FAITH ERROR

Recently I found material on the Word of Faith "theology" that helped me to understand those Christians who believe in their faith. The most telling point was realizing that "having what I say" puts me in the driver's seat rather than my heavenly Father. Failing to seek God's will earnestly and submitting is to fall short of a rich relationship that He also yearns to enjoy with us. I hope you will find the following site enlightening as I did.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html
Sunday, July 6, 2008
Don't Feel Bad
If you are like me and have ever had a major faith failure, don't let the Word of Faith teachers make you feel bad. They have as many "faith failures" as we have, they just don't mention them much because it hurts tape sales.
Many Word of Faith preachers have built their entire ministry on what Jesus said in Mark 11:24: "What things so ever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them and ye shall have them". Jesus did say this. Many WOFERS use this scripture as the key to receiving anything you need from God. That especially pertains to healing and finances according to their teachings.
But they don't believe their own teachings themselves, so don't feel bad if your faith isn't as big as theirs.
My wife Coni was a registered nurse and floated around various hospitals in Tulsa, Oklahoma while we were in Faith School there. Did you know that the Giants of Faith were there getting medical treatment? They get cancer too! Even though they believe so hard in confession brings possession, it don't stop them from being sick and attacked by the devil. They talk a big game in the pulpit and on TV but they will be the first in line to see a doctor.
I had a question that puzzled the heck out of me in Faith School. I always wondered why I would ever go to a doctor if I truly believed that I was healed? I mean come on and lets get real! If I truly pray the prayer of faith, then that is it. I am to believe from that moment on that I have received what I have asked for. Then, according to the WOF teachers, I am supposed to talk and act healed. Well, if that is true then why go to the doctor? Going to the doctor would be going against my prayer wouldn't it? Why should I go see a doctor or have surgery if I believe that I am healed?
My point is that the Word of Faith teachers have made a legalistic religion out of this scripture that has hurt many people. It is a burden that they cannot carry themselves. They stick their chest out on TV and brag on their great faith and what it has accomplished and then the poor smucks like you and me walk around in condemnation because we have had failures of faith. Just remember, they fall too. Faith preachers have all the same storms and trials that you do. They fall down just like the rest of us.
Most all of the famous faith preachers died sick. EW Kenyon died of a massive tumor. Brother Hagin died of a massive heart attack. I could name many others.
If you get sick, ask God to heal you. Ask the pastor to pray for you. Go to the doctor! Get your medicine and take it! Don't be a faith idiot! Most of us do not have he kind of faith that can cure cancer without a doctor. Don't kid yourself. many have died trying to believe God when they just didn't have the faith.
Never ever put your faith in faith, always put your faith in God and never let a faith teacher put you under condemnation and legalism.

Thursday, July 3, 2008
The Same Boat
WOW I sure have received my share of hate mail from people lately. I must be stepping on some toes, so let me step just a little harder.
WOFERS are spiritual elitist. They feel like they know more about God than anyone else but they are no better off. WOFERS die of cancer and heart disease just like the ignorant unbelieving denominational folks do. Even Brother Hagin battled heart disease and finally died of a massive heart attack. His WOF theology did him no better than a Baptist guy that believes sickness is the will of God. I have been told this week by many WOFERS that I am being judgemental and critical. But I heard Brother Hagin crack on the Baptist for years and we all thought it was funny.
The WOFERS love to preach about prosperity and healing more than anything else. Money and health are the icons of the Word of Faith. Sad thing though, many WOFERS are sick and broke. They zero in on the Faith Message but cant get it to work. They are no better off than the Baptist that they disdain so bad. I know one WOF pastor that has to take valium to fly, but he sure can preach Psalms 91. Faith preachers have the same problems as regular christians do.
I had lunch today with a Baptist preacher. He is every thing the WOFERS want to be. He pastors a large church in an affluent area. He is an avid jogger in excellent health. He lives in one of the nicest neighborhoods in town. He is very educated with several degrees. He is a commercial pilot. He loves Jesus. His children are on fire for God. These are the things that WOFERS confess for themselves daily. This pastor didn't get his blessings by making faith-filled affirmations. He didn't call those things which be not as though they were. He simply serves Jesus and strives to be in the will of God.
There are no Scriptures in the Bible that tell us to chant blessings over ourselves. If I had a dollar for every time I called myself rich, I would be pretty well off by now. What a ridiculous concept!
Word of Faith people are no better off than any other believer. They just believe that they are.
They are just as sick, just as needy, just as scared and just as human as the denominational people that they look down on. I know, because for years I looked down on denominational people.
The Word of Faith message creates an enormous sense of spiritual pride and elitism. I should print some of the love filled email that I receive. All I know is this: God helped me to pull my head out from up my rear end and showed me that all my faith was in everything BUT God.
I'm am glad that people are being set free from the Word of Faith. It is an endless sea of works and fear. It is great just to trust Jesus for everything and not be tripping over my stupid confession.

"The Same Boat"
3 Comments -
Ben_There said...My man. you are not just treading on toes. You are stomping on them with hob nailed boots.

Keep on teaching the truth, stay strong.
July 3, 2008 6:02 PM
Anonymous said...AMEN!
July 3, 2008 8:53 PM
Anonymous said...This one needs a standing ovation! I actually don't know any faith preachers who are in as good of shape as this pastor you speak of.
July 4, 2008 6:11 PM
Wednesday, July 2, 2008
Out Of Context
Many of the scriptures that WOF ministers use are taken out of context. They are twisted out of their setting to prove a "faith" point. I will g
ive you a couple of examples:
"Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God" Romans 10:17 The context of this scripture is hearing the salvation message to receive Jesus as Lord.
"We believe therefore we have spoken" 2 Corinthians 5:13 is talking about sharing the Gospel even in hard times.
"By his stripes you were healed" 1 Peter 2:20 is talking about our spiritual healing.
If you will do some research, you will find out that many of the prominent WOF teachers are unschooled and have not received sound training. Most WOF ministers got their training by listening to tapes and Cd's of erroneous teachings by older WOF ministers.
How I wished I had attended a reputable seminary where I could have been trained to rightly divide the Word of God. I am having to unlearn quite a bit of erroneous teaching. I have spent the last few months reading and studying after some great men of God who are mocked by the WOF Movement.
When you hear a WOF teacher quote a verse to fit his fancy, make sure you read the surrounding verses. Sometimes you need to read the whole letter to know the context.
The WOF ministers are the Kings of Twisting scripture to fit their faith and greed doctrines.
They love to pick and choose which Scriptures to camp on. I spent fourteen years ignoring many wonderful New Testament truths. I spent many years ignoring the writings of great men of God that had revelation of God because I was told by the WOF that these men were full of doubt and unbelief.
I would encourage any Christian to broaden their studies. Read all that you can. Do research.
The WOF has painted God into a hole. They have limited God to only operating in their world of faith rules and formulas. Expand your mind. Read Spurgeon and Moody. They had a lot of revelation of God.
If all you watch and listen to are the WOF ministers on TV, you will miss out on a lot. Most of them have never been to seminary. Study the Whole Counsel of the Word of God, not just happy snippets. All of the Word is good.
The Word of Faith is a dangerous, erroneous and deceptive message. Satan is using it to deceive thousands of well meaning people that love God. It is New Age with the Name of Jesus. It puts you in control of your life by telling you that you are a god and that you speak as a god and that you are in control with your words. You end up having faith in your faith and not in God. The WOF is full of greed and materialism. Just flip on any WOF minister and see how long they can go before preaching money. WOF is obsessed with money.
The Word of Faith is a cultic movement. Click on Justin Peters web site in my links and watch his video exposing the Word of Faith. Never be afraid of the truth. The TRUTH will set you free!
"Out Of Context"
5 Comments
D said...One of the best things about coming out of that movement was discovering the wealth of good Gospel truth we found OUTSIDE the circle! We couldn't believe it but Presbyterians, Methodists, Wesleyans, Baptists (of course), and all kinds of folks know God.
The WOF doesn't have the corner on the market, but they sure want you to believe they do. It's a tiny little world they live in. It's good to be FREE!
July 2, 2008 11:10 AM
John Edwards said...AMEN, great comment. It is very exciting, sorta like finding new rooms in your house!
July 2, 2008 11:54 AM
GF said...It is incredible how great God has become since I started obeying His Word instead of trying to get Him to obey by mine.

Thank you the truth that you are sharing.
July 2, 2008 3:01 PM
Anonymous said...Wow, you are so wise toward passages in the Bible. I guess the lady who was healed in your church on May 25th must feel really lucky that she was healed physically since healing is spiritual according to I Peter 2:24
July 3, 2008 10:59 AM
John Edwards said...I think Cebrina was healed by God and not by a verse. I have seen many non-wof people get healed, I have seen a lot of WOFERS die sick.
July 3, 2008 2:30 PM
Monday, June 30, 2008
DANGER!
Sometimes what you say and how they hear are two different things. Sometimes what you say and how they hear are the same thing. This can be very dangerous if what is being said is in error.
I found this out the hard way. It has taken me eight years to finally gain some understanding concerning my daughter Jennifer's death. John and I graduated from a Word of Faith School and began a "Word" church in 1998. In 2000 we relocated our church to a new building in another part of town. Six weeks after we had moved, our fourteen year old daughter died of a malignant brain tumor. It was a tumor as big as an orange in the middle of her brain and touched many different parts of her brain. At the time we found it the doctor said that if he had operated on her he would not have been able to remove it all and that she would have suffered severe deficits. Of course this is one of the most devastating things that can happen to parents. Being a WOF person following such tragedy is difficult enough but being a pastor's wife and a trained minister was agonizing. John preached healing and layed hands on the sick the Sunday following Jenn's funeral. I went through the motions. I attended church faithfully and put up a pretty good front for the sake of the ministry, but inside I was dying. I had been taught that confession and words were of tremendous importance in a believer's life. I was taught that words have the power to create good things in our life or bad things. That through wrong words we can create poverty, sickness, tragedy or even an early death. I was taught that the words that I spoke when mixed with faith could literally create circumstances. I believed this with all my heart. Until Jenn died. After she died I could not help but question "How?...how did this happen?". How did I "confess" my daughter's future for 14 years and she literally drop dead of a brain tumor in 2 days? I made plans with her as all parents do. We talked about college and marriage and children. She always said she wanted to be a "traveler" or an actress. She and her friends planned their futures and talked about the upcoming year as freshmen in high school. This question has plagued me for 8 years. I asked every faith minister that I knew this question. No one had any answer for me. I even received some ridiculous answers. Some said that maybe she was in sin. Some said that children usually die of tragedy when the father commits adultery. Some said that I didn't have enough faith. Some said that she didn't have enough faith. Some said that maybe she caused it herself because she said her head hurt or that maybe she harbored unforgiveness toward her parents. All of these responses came from preachers of word of faith. None of them brought me any comfort. I mean if words mixed with faith are capable of creating circumstances in our lives then why isn't Jenn in college right now? or married? or just traveling all over the place like she planned? I never said that she would one day die of a brain tumor. I just don't believe it anymore. The danger is that it almost shipwrecked my faith in God. I know many true believers that love the Lord but they have been so abused by the erroneous teaching of the Word of Faith doctrine. I know I led people down a path through my teaching that was paved with heartache, self doubt and bitterness toward God. I taught confession to people for years! I honestly believed that if I said that my children would never suffer tragedy or sickness then they wouldn't. I believed I had authority over my children's lives in this regard. I began to look at myself as the one who was responsible for everything in my life. I had heard Brother Hagin say that he didn't pray for his family anymore than at the most three times. To pray about it anymore would be doubt in the first prayer that he prayed. I got to where I didn't pray for them anymore because I thought that would be doubting God and my confession. I once had an argument with a fellow believer over a mutual friend that had terminal cancer. His point was that it was dangerous to offer unreasonable hope to someone. I argued that he only had to confess and believe and he would receive his healing. My friend died and I wonder if I made his wife and child feel guilt at his death. I don't know.
I found Jenn's diary the week after she died. I read it of course because I wanted to feel close to her. The diary was full of things young teen girls talk about. Boys that they think are "hotties", petty squabbles with friends, grades and plans for the weekend (plans, always plans, lots and lots of plans). Jenn wrote all the way up until the week before she died. In almost every entry she said she woke up in pain or that she felt extremely nauseated. She said she would confess God's Word and take some Advil and go out and play. I found a bottle of Advil in her dresser drawer after she died. I wonder if she was afraid to talk about her pain? Afraid that if she did then something bad would happen to her. I wonder if I had not been so delusional about my faith that maybe I would have heard or seen something sooner. I wonder if I was in denial because I thought that nothing could ever happen to us. My youngest son just recently revealed to me that he has always been afraid to tell me when his throat hurt or when he felt bad. He had heard that by speaking about it, it would make it so. He was rebuked in children's church once for saying something "tickled him to death". The children's minister said "Oh, don't say that! You may die of laughter." It seems comical but it is so sad. How many people could have been saved if they had told someone that they felt bad? How many lives have been lost because someone thought that to show their faith in their healing meant to stop taking their insulin or heart medications? How many people didn't ask for help when they needed it most? I am not consumed with guilt although I am remorseful. I once saw a student in bible school leave class with chest pain. He had all the classic symptoms of a heart attack. He was short of breath, holding his left arm, sweating profusely and pasty white. Some fellow students jumped up and ran after him and began walking him up and down the hall confessing that he would live and not die! Instead of calling 911 they were ignoring his symptoms! If the teacher had not stopped class and corrected their behavior I have no doubt that he probably would not have survived. The message in WOF is erroneous and dangerous. We are not taught in God's word to deny anything. To deny a reality to the extent of saying that it doesn't exist is negligent. If there is a lump in your breast then it is there no matter how much you deny it. Just because you say it doesn't exist doesn't make it so. Ask the Lord to heal you and get to a doctor fast! I believe that a lot of the confession message is really a lot of hope and pride. Well in my observation, the WOF people are just as sick, broke, divorced, on drugs, and suffering moral failures as the rest of humanity. Jesus said, "Hey guys, just be glad your name is written down in the book of life." We don't always know everything because guess what?... We are not God! No matter how much you call yourself the creator of your own world, you are not. I know Jenn is with Jesus now. She will never suffer this life again and frankly at times that brings me great comfort and joy. No matter how much I miss her, I will see her again. She is actually in a much better position than her brothers. To live is Christ, to die is gain. Would I change the circumstances if I could? Of course. But to pull her out of the Savior's arms now would be selfish. What I hope and pray is that someone will read this and maybe a light will go off and they will begin to question some of this teaching. It's okay to do that you know. It might just save your life.
Posted by John Edwards at 6:24 PM 5 comments
"DANGER!"
5 Comments -
Myra said...I think you are a very brave and courageous mom to have written this blog. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and I admire you very much.

July 2, 2008 11:20 AM

Vickie said...I admire you too, Coni. You are a wonderful mom. Thank you for your honesty and sincerity. That was very powerful and I know it will help many people. I'm glad you are my friend.
July 2, 2008 2:17 PM

Ben_There said...I read this yesterday and then came back and read it again. I wanted to try and understand it. The more I thought about what was written the more I agreed with it. We put our faith in mere words and not GOD.

A personal note, is when I lost a loved one I first blamed myself for not having enough faith to save her. Why couldn't my faith save her? Then I got to thinking that she did not have enough faith to help me save her. There had to be some reason my confession did not work. What am I missing? Can't I have what I say? If I confess, believe and do not doubt I can move mountains. I believed and confessed but what happened, she died. There had to be a reason why. I blamed myself, her and every sin that I have done or even thought of doing. Then I got to thinking and this came to my mind. Didn't Jesus die so our sins were forgiven. Then in GOD's eye we were forgiven WE HAD NOT SINNED. There had to be another reason why my words could not save her.

DO YOU SEE WHAT IS MISSING HERE? I did not have GOD in the equation, it was MY faith and HER faith. Not faith in GOD.

It is true that words are a powerful tool. With words one can destroy a person's self esteem, reputation and life but to teach that YOU can control your life by your confession is wrong. It is not a sin to have a goal, believe you will accomplish that goal and work for it is not wrong. To let it control your life is.

Enough rambling, thank you Coni for sharing your thoughts with us.
July 2, 2008 8:12 PM
Somebody you might know... said...AWESOME. I know this will affect MANY people.
I was not of course in an immediate life threatening situation. Though, because I had been told a few times to "BE CAREFUL you should have what you say” when I would mention on Sunday, or Wednesday nights when asked how I was feeling, that “I feel really nauseated”, or “my heart is beating way too fast”, or something about how I was REALLY feeling poorly. I was repeatedly rebuked as if I were a small child saying potty words out loud in the Sanctuary. Even though my heart REALLY WAS racing (often) at over 150 bpm (at rest), and I was very sick. I then quit sharing with anyone about how sick I was getting (since January) I kept it between God and the Doctors and tried not to scare my little girl (in retrospect, how sad and lonesome for her to not be able to speak to a supportive adult about it.) Bless God, it’s behind me now. I am recovering from surgery as I write this. But, it is a VERY sickening, sad, isolated feeling, when you've surrounded yourself with people you love and respect, but who's questions you can't seem to answer correctly at all. It made me wonder why those people couldn’t understand, that Jesus would want them to be the hands and the feet for Christ. Instead of the judge speaking so loudly for the enemy. I knew I wasn’t "writing contracts" with God or the devil with my words. It made me want to stay home, instead of surrounding myself with the people I perhaps would have needed most, (if their words hadn’t been so confusing).
Church is a "Spiritual Emergency Room", NOT a Country Club for those who have “already arrived”, and "those who have become so perfect through their own works and WORDS".
It always felt as though they were thinking that my Faith was just not on a level to receive anything. There I was, knowing differently but unable to communicate it. So, I became quiet, and worked it out with God and my Doctors.
Another thought as I close here: Isn’t it “judging others” when we correct their words? Then, are those “Word Police” not sinning? How then, could THEY be in the position to receive anything, if they are already in sin? Especially a sin they would be already aware of. A “pet sin” of sorts, that they keep around to make themselves feel better.
July 3, 2008 10:09 AM
Anonymous said...Great Comments from Ben There and Some one you might know!
July 4, 2008 8:34 AM
Thursday, June 26, 2008
Brother Hagin
I have been a great fan and follower of Brother Kenneth Hagin for fourteen years. I have read many of his books, listened to hundreds of his sermons on tape, heard him preach in several revivals and was his student in Bible School. I believed everything that he taught and said, just like hundreds of thousands of others from all walks of life do. I was ordained by Kenneth Hagin.
When I first began to listen to him in 1994, I was OK until I heard him talk about his visions of Jesus. It made my spirit flip flop and gave me a sick uneasy feeling. I quit listening to him for awhile. Then I thought, what the heck, God's Word promised us visions in the last days so I started listening to him again.
One of his visions never did sit well with me. It was the one where he said Jesus sat down with him and told him how we could write our own ticket with God. That sounded kinda New Age to me. Another vision that bothered me was the one where he claimed Jesus anointed his hands with a special healing power. He was to tell people that if they believed that he was anointed that they would be healed. I never saw it work. I have seen him pray for people in wheelchairs for years. Never saw any one get up. We had students die of cancer. He had heart disease himself. His family members had cancer.
It is amazing how scared people are to question the "Prophet". I think that any man that has claimed to have had eight one on one face to face meetings with Jesus Christ and received extra revelation and special anointing should be examined and questioned.
That's how the Mormon Church got going. Joseph Smith claimed that Jesus and God appeared to him. People believed him unto death, and now we have 13 million Mormons.
If Jesus really did appear face to face with Brother Hagin, sometimes for hours, shouldn't we add these visions to our Bible's? If Jesus Christ really appeared to Brother Hagin, then every word that Jesus said was the Word of God right? Maybe we should add "The Book of Hagin" right after Revelations!
Do you realize that Jesus Christ has appeared to Brother Hagin more times than he appeared to the Apostle Paul? Do you realize that somethings Brother Hagin said that Jesus said are not in the Bible? It is extra revelation. But people believe it and quote things from those visions all the time.
I wish I had a dollar for every faith preacher that I have ever heard that tried to prove a point in the Word of God based on something Brother Hagin said in a vision.
Think of this. Here is a man that has been to Hell, got saved when he was out of his body, went to Heaven more than once, saw the figure of Almighty God sitting on His throne, had Jesus Christ personally disciple him, face to face, one on one, has had conversations and bible debates with Jesus, and has talked with his personal angel, and has received a one of a kind personal healing anointing from Jesus Christ that no one else has ever had! WOW!
Brother Hagin said that Jesus told him that clapping was neither praise nor worship. And thousands of people will no longer clap in church because of what Brother Hagin said that Jesus said.
As I look back on the thousands of hours that I spent listening to his personal spin and interpretations of the scriptures, I have to pinch myself. I cannot believe that I fell for this deception, hook, line and sinker.
The Word of Faith and New Age are very similar in that their teachings elevate man to be a god. Anyone that will do some honest research will find hundreds of unscriptual quotations by Brother Hagin and other faith preachers all over the web.
You know why Word of Faith people are afraid of asking questions? Because they have been brain washed for years that if they question or reject the teachings that something bad will happen to them. Brother Hagin said Jesus told him that if people didn't receive what he had to say when he was in the Spirit, that they would die! He said preachers would die.
So here you have a man that says he has meet with Jesus Christ several times and that if people will not receive him when he is in the Spirit that they will die. That has built fear into thousands of well meaning people.
I am praying that God will open the eyes of my dear friends that are deceived and set them free into the love and freedom that Jesus intended them to have. These are sincere people that love God but they are sincerely deceived. Lets pray for them to have their eyes opened and to have the guts to come out of this cultic movement. It is hard to. I have found out first hand. You lose a lot of friends that know you are right but are afraid to make the move out of fear.
Posted by John Edwards at 10:43 AM
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Leatherneck said...You just kicked the hornet nest at 100 Derby Parkway.
Semper Fi
June 26, 2008 6:59 PM
GF said...If you can't say Amen, say OH ME!
All that you say is so true, but so many will not listen to the truth. They are deceived and do not have ears that hear. I pray that their eyes will be opened. The only one that we should reverence that much is Jesus. When we put the words of a mere man above those of Jesus then all I can say is OH ME.
June 27, 2008 10:52 AM
cullen said...You are right, but I am fearful to say anything. I don't want to get struck by lightning. Oh no! I said it. I must confess now that I don't believe what I just said so it won't come to pass! hehe

Good post, PJ. Especially about the number of visitations being more than Paul recorded that he had.
June 27, 2008 12:47 PM
Ben_There said..."It is amazing how scared people are to question the "Prophet". I think that any man that has claimed to have had eight one on one face to face meetings with Jesus Christ and received extra revelation and special anointing should be examined and questioned."

In my opinion, anyone that states that Jesus sat down with them personally (one on one) and revealed different interpretations of the Bible is either a con artist or mentally defective. I don't know the Hagins, nor did I go to RHEMA but I did stay at a Motel 6 last night.

It appears to me that the only one that directly benefited from these meetings were the Hagins. Of course they can and will say that their faith is what brought them the wealth that they named and claimed. Or was it like most of the WOF TV preachers that have conned many poor people out of their money with the mantra, seed, time and harvest. Plant your seed in a good fertile ground and it will be multiplied. Oh by the way, my ministry is a fertile ground send me your offerings and you will be blessed. Of course I might have to buy myself a jet, large house, a luxury car and a new TV show before the blessing begins to manifest itself on you. (HA HA) Don't be discouraged keep on sending in those letters with the checks, not the skinny little postcards. I will have the office staff send you a form letter thanking you for your seed and tell you how you can multiply your blessings when you plant more seed.

People are desperate, reaching out for something to believe in. That is how these "ministries" can and do grow. People wanting to receive and afraid to question the "Pastors" that are offering them this hope. If the congregation question to closely then they are lacking faith and bad things are going to happen to the questioners and the people that are listening to the questions.

Is it a bad thing to ask questions and expect truthful answers? NO, it isn't. So why is it put down and the people that are asking the questions ridiculed? For myself, when in doubt about something I go to the bible, search the scriptures and try to get guidance. I don't take the scriptures out of context and I also read the verses before and after the ones that I looked up. To try and get a feeling on what the writer was saying. If then I am still confused (which is most of the time) I talk to my Pastor and try to get an understanding. Do not swallow the party line completely, ask questions and study. You will be amazed what is in teachings of Jesus our LORD and Savior.
June 27, 2008 2:05 PM
Somebody you might know... said...I think that if Jesus were to talk to any one of us "one on one" HE would have mentioned a lot more about LOVE, and not prosperity. HE was big on leave everything behind, and simply FOLLOW ME. Not, "Bring your things to a pawn and see what we can get for them, and then...we'll have something to talk about." Jesus is always about LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Love is not something I think HE would have overlooked in a "one on one" conversation.
Just my humble opinion.
June 27, 2008 4:01 PM
D said...Yeah, but now what do we do with the hundreds of cassettes, books, and notebooks full of sermon notes?
:)
Seriously though, I don't want to throw the proverbial 'baby out with the bath water'. There are parts of the faith message I believe are true. We've had to allow the Holy Spirit to sort it out for seven years now. It's still a work in progress!
June 28, 2008 7:11 PM
Set Free said...D. You are right.
I just want to be sure the baby that I keep is the right one.

After years of listening to the WOF message there are many who are not very good at hearing the "true" voice of The Holy Spirit.

As you know it is good to be free.
June 29, 2008 1:39 PM
GF said...Be alert oh Faithpreacher. The leaders from Mecca and Wordland may label you as an evil one and send a dragonslayer out to find you. You are much more dangerous than most outcast because you have used your voice to speak out the truth, keep doing so and maybe others will be set free from that great spell. June 29, 2008 1:47 PM

Christella said...I wanted to thank you for informing us and to tell you as well as Connie how very proud I am for having you as my preachers. It takes a lot to acknowledge ones mistakes and to publicly correct oneself. Thank you for leading us in the right direction.
As far as Brother Hagin is concerned I think we just need to pray for him and not dwell on his short comings.
June 29, 2008 10:05 PM
MindBloggling said...Ya know...My dad always told me to never get caught up in a preacher.
June 30, 2008 4:58 AM
Larry-Boy said...Wow. I'm a guy who's blissfully ignorant of most of the Word of Faith doctrine you refer to, Faithpreacher. So this is the first time I've ever heard of Bro. Hagin's ridiculous claims. Some of this stuff is so outrageous, it's almost funny...until you realize how many people are shackled by this misguided doctrine.


Keep on shining the light of truth on that garbage, man. There's so much truth and common sense in your posts, your blog is bound to ruffle some feathers in Tulsa...a small price to pay for the freedom you're giving those who read it and see the light!
June 30, 2008 9:31 AM

Wednesday, June 25, 2008
I Played God
Word of Faith people are taught that they can be the God of their own lives. I taught this heresy for eight years. I used to believe that I could have anything I wanted if I would say it with my mouth and believe it in my heart. Sounds like voodoo huh? It is!
Kenneth Hagin claims that Jesus appeared to him in a vision and gave him personal instructions on "How to write your own ticket with God". Jesus said to "Say it, believe it, receive it and do it". Word of Faith people believe that everything you experience in life, good or bad, is a result of the words that you have been speaking. They believe that they can create and change situations with the spoken word. They believe thier words are creative forces.
This message is the combination of New Age metaphysics and a gross misinterpretation of a Jewish hyperbole that Jesus used in Mark 11:23.
The dangerous thing about this message is that it puts you in the driver's seat of your life because you begin to think that you can plan your future and change your world by speaking the right words. It also creates a tremendous amount of fear. Fear of saying the wrong thing. Word of Faith people believe that you can bring sickness and tragedy into your life by saying the wrong things. They believe a lot of crazy things! I know because I taught the Word of Faith for eight years. I have seen people's faith ruined over it many, many times.
There is a tremendous amount of doctrinal error in the Word of Faith. It is Satan's way of having man become god. It is New Age. Man is not the creator, God is.
My wife Coni will be sharing some insights on this teaching and how people have died from it in the near future. Stay tuned!
Posted by John Edwards at 2:26 PM
Monday, June 23, 2008
Kicking and Screaming
I hate going to church. Not to mine of course but I hate being invited to other churches and meetings because I do this every day week in and week out. I am totally churched out. I have no desire to go listen to anyone. I especially don't want to go to anything charismatic. I don't like having my "mail read" and I'm sick and tired of being prophesied to. When it comes to preachers, I am very picky and extremely cautious.
So last night I went to church kicking and screaming all day about it. I would have rather walked naked down the interstate during rush hour. I would rather have a root canal. I would rather do yard work which I truly hate. The only reason I went was because this really sweet couple at church had invited to to come and hear this dude named Donny Kitchens that was going to preach at their mansion. (they really do live in a mansion) This couple has always been there for me so I had to go, but I dreaded it all week like I would a visit to the dentist. My stomach was in knots. I thought of hundreds of ways to get out of it. The last thing in the world that I wanted was for some Pentecostal showboat preacher in my face for two hours!
Thank God I went! It was totally awesome......the best preaching that I have heard in a few years. It was incredible. God confirmed so many things to me and my wife through the sermon. God talked to me. This preacher was humble and REAL. I was glued to my seat and could have listened to him all night.
As it always happens to me at a charismatic service, I'm the one they always stand up to prophesie over.......and he did.....for like five whole minutes! YEP, HE READ ALL MY MAIL AND KNEW EVERYTHING THAT I WAS DEALING WITH AND GOING THRU. That's real neat, that God would use that preacher to let me know that I am on the right track, and that I am right about some major changes that I have made. Its good to hear from God now and then. I feel sorry for all my Baptist friends that think the gifts have passed away.
If anyone ever invites you to hear a preacher named Donny Kitchens, take'em up on the invitation. Just don't go kicking and screaming!
Posted by John Edwards at 10:47 AM